Mag. has a maximum case length of 2.540″, so the .270 Wby. Interestingly, whereas the.270 Winchester’s SAAMI -assigned maximum average pressure (MAP) is 65,000 p.s.i., once “adopted” in 1994, the.270 Weatherby … Re: 270 Wby Mag VS 6.5 300 wby « Reply #19 on: January 12, 2016, 08:38:49 PM » I've noticed on these 6.5 ballistics that no matter the starting/muzzle velocity that the 1000 yard velocities are really close.Stair stepping down of course but only about 80 fps drops at 1000 compared to 200-250 fps starting velocity differences. The four basic methods of making rifling in a barrel are single-point, broach, button, and... Like situational ethics, standards of accuracy vary according to circumstances. Need Help Filtering. During that year, I used the same rifle to take mule deer, pronghorn antelope, elk, and caribou, and they also were one-shot kills. Company Directory (307) 675-7800. Other likely candidates for this cartridge include IMR 8133, Reloder 33, Reloder 25, and Reloder 26. The beauty of the 257 to me is the flat trajectory and light recoil. Should Nosler eventually move forward with production rifles chambered for this cartridge, a 1:8 twist would be in order. Looking at this Nosler reloading page for the 270 WSM, it shows you can push 150 grain accubond long range bullets with a BC if 625 at 3150 fps. During most of its 93 years of existence, the .270 Winchester has been quite popular among hunters, and for as long as I can remember, it has made the Top Five big-game cartridge list at RCBS, according to reloading die sales. I've learned since, when possible, to match the caliber to the game. Averages for 140-grain bullets were 3,034 fps and 3,176 fps respectively for a difference of 142 fps. Moreover, while the .270 Win.’s cartridge overall length (COL) is 3.340″, its Weatherby counterpart is a shorter 3.295″. It still wears the Weatherby 3-9X Supreme scope in a Buehler two-piece mount that came on it. are great cartridges, but which one is better? The 27 Nosler case has 42% more case capacity than the 270 Winchester, 25% more than the 270 WSM and 12.5% more than the 270 Weatherby. bruce. Federal, Hornady, Remington, SSA, Sellier & Bellot, and Prvi Partizan offer it, so there is no shortage of ammo. 0.158 Bullet Style: TSX FB Primer: Fed 215 B.C. Folks who live in elk country may consciously seek a cow for the freezer. So a .270 Winchester round exits the barrel with kinetic energy equal to the energy required for linear vertical displacement of 3780 pounds through a one foot distance, while a .270 WSM Winchester Short Magnum round exiting the barrel has energy equal to the amount required to displace 3170 pounds over the same one foot distance. I don't agree that a bullet completing a revolution in one or two inches less distance will increase its killing power. I won’t go so far as to say that’s foolish, but there’s a major difference in size and toughness between a cow or spike and a mature bull. Clearly, for heavy animals at long range, the .270 Weatherby is a superior choice. Mag. In those days the few firearms writers working regularly were big fans of the .30-06, and little positive mention was made of the new upstart. when both were loaded to the same chamber pressure. Feel the same when comparing the 25-06 to 270Win as well. The full size .270 cartridges deliver high velocity with big … The .270 was introduced in the Winchester Model 54, but it was not an instant success. There are places where .22 centerfires are legal for elk. rifles than WSMs on used gun racks. since 1984. ... • .270 Winchester vs. .270 WSM • .26 Nosler vs. 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum Over the last several forty or fifty rifle reviews, three brands have emerged as generally the most accurate bolt-action rifles: Savage, Weatherby, and Browning. Berry's product line is extensive; in addition to making over 60 types of bullets, the firm... HSM Ammunition has just released another new 6.5 Creedmoor loading. Throat length was originally 0.750 inch, and it was shortened to 0.500 inch during the late 1970s. I mention this because if one of those rifles is purchased on the used-gun market, a couple of things should be kept in mind. Among the factory loads, my favorite varmint load is Federal American Eagle loaded with the Speer 90-grain TNT. Note: A full length article about the .270 Weatherby Magnum can be … There are places where .22 centerfires are legal for elk. The .270 Winchester fits into this category. Using a program to calc point blank range of 3", I get 315 yards for the .257 Weatherby and 265y for the .270 Win using a hot 130g loading. For this reason, reamers that cut a standard-length throat have been used when building custom rifles around the various Weatherby cartridges. was not a lot faster than the .270 Win. Mag. Mag. Delving deeper, the .270 Win. H4831 is a good starting point, although slower powders sometimes deliver higher velocities with 150- and 160-grain bullets. IMR 7977 and IMR 7828 proved to be excellent choices behind 130-grain bullets, and when burned behind 140- and 150-grain bullets, Retumbo proved to be up to the task in both accuracy and velocity. It is more available than the .270 Weatherby Magnum has ever been. For everything else walking the North American continent on hooves, the .270 will do anything any ethical hunter needs to get done. O’Connor was also right about powder and bullet weight. Expanding bullets of monolithic construction often shoot more accurately when seated for plenty of jump, and that makes those from Barnes, Hornady, Nosler, and others logical options for rifles with freebored chambers. cases made by Nosler. Unprimed cases are available from Hornady, Nosler, Federal, Remington, and Winchester. It’s not pretty and it’s not all that fast, but you can believe me when I say it does a great job on Alaska-Yukon moose. While velocity can be increased with a freebored chamber, the long jump makes some rifles particular about the bullets they will shoot accurately. Average maximum velocities for 130-grain bullets were 3,158 fps for the .270 Win. Except the .270 WSM offers its performance from a shorter action, and does it with a shorter barrel. Bolt-Action Rifle Comparison: Savage, Weatherby, Browning in .270 Winchester. The 270Wby is flat as well, just not quite as much as the 257 for medium range shooting. Averages for 150-grain bullets were 2,926 fps and 3,085 fps respectively for a difference of 159 fps. For me, the best whitetail cartridge is the .257 Weatherby Magnum. 257: I had the same thoughts on the 270 Weatherby and in fact built one on a M70,Lilja barrel,bansner stock,etc.thinking it would be somehow "superior" to my 7 rem mags.Shooting both with "optimum" loads(130's at 3350 from the 270,and 140's at 3250+- from the 7 rem mag,I found the difference between the two to be.....zilch.Drop of either to 500 was so close the only difference … "Weatherby Vanguard 270" For Sale. The 27 Nosler case is easily formed by necking down 30 Nosler brass. In all honestly except for a current model Vanguard S2 SS in 257 I've never gotten the accuracy out of a Weatherby rifle (especially the Mark V's) that I have with other calibers and rifle brands. I then lowered the ram and turned in the die just enough to force the RCBS Rock Chucker press to cam slightly over center when the ram was fully raised. The reloader with a .270 Wby. O’Connor was right about it being big enough medicine for elk, but even he admitted that the .30-06 is a better elk cartridge. Nosler has committed to supporting the new cartridge with load data to be published in 2019, but there are no intentions to offer brass or loaded ammunition at this time. has a maximum case length of 2.540″, so the .270 Wby. Weatherby Customer Service representatives are available to assist you: Monday through Friday 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. (MDT) Visitor/Service Center 9:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. (MDT) Customer Service (307) 675-7840. At 400y the .257 Weatherby has dropped 5.75" and the .270 Winchester has dropped 12.70", over twice as much. Roy Weatherby experimented with that belted Super .30 case in the early 1940s, sometimes shortening the case to .30-06-length, sometimes using the full 2.85-inch-length of the .300 Holland case, but all of his designs featured the unique double-radius shoulder. Springfield Armory M1A Tanker .308 Review, Shooting Times Father's Day 2019 Gift Guide, Best Rimfire Cartridges — .22 Magnum vs .22 Long Rifle, Berry's Bullets: Reloading Equipment, Shooting Accessories & Bullet Accuracy Tests, Black Hills Evolution of Rifle Cartridge: .308 Win. the 7mag is like a super 270 win with 120 to 150 gn bullets, shooting much flatter. You can see the heritage of the .270 and .30-06 cartridges on display in the photos below. Interestingly enough, while the .270 Winchester turned out to be a smashing commercial success for the company, .277″ bullets never really caught on. The Model 70 is my bluebird weather rifle, and the Model 700 is for rainy-day hunts. Post subject: 270 weatherby mag vs. 7mm weatherby mag. with muzzle velocities of 3,100 and 2,970 fps, respectively.With this load, the .270 WSM generates roughly 250 additional foot-pounds of energy over its competitor at the muzzle when both cartridges are fired from 24-inch barrels. Mark Muller, president of Max Motors in Butler, Missouri, loves his Weatherby .270 Magnum rifle. weatherby 270 for sale and auction. Reloder 50 did a good job behind the Nosler 160-grain Partition, and H50BMG and US 869 would likely do as well. and 3,302 fps for the.270 WSM for a difference in favor of the.270 WSM of 144 fps. Some figured the .270 was too small for use on anything but deer. The reloader with a .270 Wby. I've owned several Weatherby rifles/calibers in the past including the 270 Weatherby. If data for the two cartridges in a particular manual were developed in barrels of different lengths, I compensated by adding 25 fps per inch for the shorter barrel. and 3,302 fps for the .270 WSM for a difference in favor of the .270 WSM of 144 fps. ©2020 Outdoor Sportsman Group. The brass for the WSM will be cheaper than the Weatherby and more plentiful. We're taking a look at what the Army's Elite Units are using for service rifles and what the future of SOCOM sniping looks like. Weatherby Stainless. Not enough difference to matter. I have owned a Weatherby Mark V Deluxe in .270 Wby. Tom Beckstrand and Neal Emery of Hornady highlight the 6MM Creedmoor ammo. A few AR-15s have been available—and still are available—in 6.8 SPC. And why did they go with the odd bullet diameter of 0.277 inch when 0.264- and 0.284-inch bullets had been extremely popular in other countries for quite a few years? Bullet Weight: 85 gr Case Trim Length: 2.539" S.D. Its 26-inch Shilen barrel measured 1.15 inches at the receiver, and from there it tapered to a muzzle diameter of 0.635 inch. I developed the loads for 130- and 160-grain bullets, and while they have not been pressure-tested, they were safe maximums in my rifle. A rifle so chambered is more likely to shoot a variety of bullet types more accurately, but maximum velocities attainable at acceptable chamber pressures will fall about 100 fps short of what is possible with a freebored chamber. Gross water capacity is 104.6 grains versus 83.1 grains for .270 Wby. Good choice for collectors or hunting many North American game animals. Considering its big appetite for powder, velocity spread with the 27 Nosler was quite low. and 3,302 fps for the .270 WSM for a difference in favor of the .270 WSM of 144 fps. The Model 700 I used to take a caribou had a 20-inch barrel and was a preproduction rifle built specifically for that hunt. That changed somewhat after Bruce Hodgdon introduced military-surplus H4831 in 1950. Browning AB3. The Weatherby is not a specialized cartridge, regardless of its unique case design but rather, an excellent all-round medium game cartridge blessed with mild recoil (for a magnum). Everything considered, 130 grains has proven to be the ideal bullet weight, although I have often moved up to 150 grains when in elk country. It also will be cheaper to buy ammo for in the store. A faster-than-standard 1-8.5” twist barrel design allows the 27 Nosler to propel Nosler’s factory-loaded 150gr AccuBond ® and 165gr AccuBond Long Range ® bullets (new for 2020) at never-before-seen velocities and distances in 270 caliber. ADVERTISEMENT. rifles is too slow to stabilize some of today’s bullets, but later rifles with a 1:10 twist handle most of them just fine. Bolt-Action Rifle Comparison: Savage, Weatherby, Browning in .270 Winchester. If you already have a 270, then jump up to the 300WSM. 175 Gr. It was in 2003, as Winchester was unveiling the follow-up cartridges to their .300 Winchester Short Magnum that the second .270 came to bear the Winchester moniker. David Fortier talks with Jeff Hoffman of Black Hills Ammunition about the evolution of the .308 Win. Weatherby ~ Vanguard ~ .270 WSM Description: Weatherby Vanguard "2006 Gun of the Year" rifle .270 WSM. Note: A full length article about the .270 Weatherby Magnum can be found on the Rifle Cartridge Page. *Some of the early German-made Weatherby rifles had 1:12” twist barrels, which will stabilize only 110-grain TSX bullets. 175 Gr. The most accurate I shot was a Model 700 SPS with a 22-inch barrel. I won’t speculate on why the .30-03 case was used, but my best guess on bullet diameter is that they wanted the cartridge to be different from anything else of American design. Appears as new, Weatherby bolt action rifle in the powerful .270 WSM cartridge. All Rights Reserved. Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 5:31 am . Sure, you can get away with it, especially with today’s extra-heavy bullets, but I think it’s foolish. Rifles and ammo are widely available for both guns, but with an almost 80-year head start you’ll encounter more .270 Win. Time will tell. I became a big O’Connor fan during my youth, but I did not get around to hunting with the .270 until the early 1960s. The Weatherby is an emphatic killer of light to larger medium game and does so without producing horrendous recoil - two factors which will ensure it remains popular for many years to come. I won’t go so far as to say that’s foolish, but there’s a major difference in size and toughness between a cow or spike and a mature bull. The 6.8 SPC was introduced with great fanfare, and although it now appears to be struggling, plenty of rifles chambered for it are still being shot. A Bonnier Corporation Company. A friend of mine bought a Model Seven in 6.8 SPC as a first centerfire rifle for his young daughter, and he considers Hornady Custom with the 120-grain SST and Federal Fusion with the 115-grain Fusion to be the deadliest medicines available for use on deer and feral hogs. rifle has about a 200 fps advantage over a reloader with a .270 WSM rifle when both are using 150 grain bullets. What has to be the most bullet-proof animal in North America took one 140-grain bullet behind its shoulder at 160 yards and immediately went down for the count. Written inquires can be mailed to: Weatherby, Inc. PO Box 6630 Sheridan, WY 82801 USA When loaded with IMR 4350, the slowest-burning powder available at the time, the .270 Wby. at 2.549″ is ever so slightly longer. Averages for 140-grain bullets were 3,034 fps and 3,176 fps respectively for a difference of 142 fps. Match bullet. The same applies to some of the maximum loads published in various reloading manuals. Federal, Hornady, HSM, Nosler, Barnes, Remington, DoubleTap, and Winchester offer .270 WSM ammunition. Field & Stream may receive financial compensation for products purchased through this site. The heaviest and largest of the three test rifles, we liked the feel and handling of the Weatherby as a solid shooting tool. All Shooting Times subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. 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